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      Does God Predestine Some Men to Hell?
      (Double Predestination)

      Thursday, October 16, 2008

      There are two streams both flowing the same way. There are two boys, one on each stream, each with a toy boat. One boy (boy A) grabs his boat and forces it upstream keeping his hand on it the entire way while the other (boy B) simply releases his boat and allows for the stream to take it to its final destination. Did both boys predetermine what they wanted the boat to do and where they wanted it to end up? Yes. Did the boy who let the boat go need to add anything of his effort to the boat to ensure that it went where it was already heading? No. He simply took his hand off and allowed for nature to take its course. This latter boy is an example of what is known as reprobation in double predestination. Both boats are going to a destination, but the boy who kept his hand on the boat and pushed it up the river was actively involved in the task against the natural course of things while the boy who simply let it go was passively allowing for what he predestined to come to pass (the natural course of things). Many people argue against double predestination while using boy A as the metaphor for what God does. (Boy A [God] pushing the boat [man] up river [toward sin] while the river in Boy A's situation [man's inclination to being born good and doing good, wanting to be saved] is trying to get the boy to do what's right while the boy A [God] is not letting that happen.) This, in logic, is called a straw man fallacy. That means that they're arguing a position that isn't advocated by the person they're arguing against, destroying that argument, then going off to claim victory for themselves. The correct position is that boy B [God] is restraining the boat [man] from going downstream to its fatal end off a cliff [reprobation]. Boy B then lets his hand off the boat and allows it to go get what will naturally happen. Note that in the first example man's condition is seen as pretty much good while in the latter, man's condition is seen as sinful and "condemned already for not believing on the only begotten son of God. (John 3:18).

      This is one of the most complete answers to what exactly the doctrine of double predestination is. Mark Kielar was gracious enough to allow me to post the entire clip from this Word Picture series because, as his email said, "Dear Lane; You are welcome to use the clips in any way that can advance the Kingdom. May our Lord richly bless your efforts." Kielar is a man who's priority is to get the message of the Gospel out to as many people as possible. I can honestly say that of all the preachers I know of, he is one of the most biblically sound pastors that is alive today. The wisdom that I've learned from this man cannot be measured in my opinion. If you enjoyed this clip, you can buy the next 16-16 1/2 hours of this dvd series by going to their website http://www.crosstv.com and purchase it there. It's 16 DVDs long and is called "The Sovereignty of God". In it, he tackles many of the hard questions like this that Calvinists receive from those who are curious about the faith. I highly recommend the series. A huge thanks goes to Pastor Mark for allowing me to post this.

      1 comment:

      Steve Finnell said...

      UNLESS THE FATHER DRAWS HIM

      John 6:44 No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.

      What is the meaning of John 6:44?

      1. Does it mean only a few, who have been selected by the Father, will be saved? No, it does not.
      2. Does it mean that men only respond to the gospel because of irresistible grace? No, it does not.

      WHO ARE THOSE THAT THE FATHER DRAWS?

      John 6:45 It is written in the prophets, 'And they shall all be taught of God.' Everyone who has heard and learned from the Father, comes to Me.

      The Father draws all who hear and learn. The Father does not force anyone to hear or learn. Men have free-will. God does not impute faith into a few so they will believe and be saved. Faith does not come by injection.

      HOW DO MEN HEAR AND LEARN?

      Romans 10:13-14 for "Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved." 14 How then will they call on Him in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in Him whom they have not heard? And how will they hear without a preacher?

      Men need to hear the gospel before they can learn and believe. The Father draws men by the gospel.

      Romans 10:17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.

      Faith comes from hearing the gospel. Faith does not come because the Father selected a chosen few, before the world began, to be saved. All who accept Jesus as Lord and Savior are the chosen and that includes whoever accepts God's terms for pardon. Faith does not come because of irresistible grace.

      God the Father draws men to Jesus with the gospel.

      Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek,

      IT IS THE GOSPEL THAT DRAWS MEN TO JESUS!

      IRRESISTIBLE GRACE IS NOT THE METHOD THAT THE FATHER USES TO DRAW MEN TO JESUS.

      Romans 10:21 But as for Israel He says, "All the day long I have stretched out My hands to a disobedient and obstinate people."

      Israel as a nation reject the gospel. How would that be possible if irresistible grace were in play? Israel turned away from God.

      Matthew 23:37 "Jerusalem, Jerusalem, who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, the way a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, and you were unwilling.

      Jerusalem was unwilling to be drawn to Jesus by believing the gospel. They had a choice.

      John 5:39-40 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; 40 and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life.

      The Jews had the opportunity to believe the gospel of Jesus Christ, but they were unwilling. There was no irresistible grace in play. The Father draws all who are willing to believe the gospel.

      John 6:40 This is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day."

      IF YOU ARE READING THIS BLOG YOU ARE ONE OF THE "EVERYONE" WHO HAS A CHANCE TO BE BELIEVE THE GOSPEL AND BE SAVED.

      MEN REJECT GOD.

      GOD DOES NOT REJECT MEN DUE TO NO FAULT OF THEIR OWN.

      THE FATHER DRAWS MEN TO JESUS THROUGH THE PREACHING OF THE GOSPEL. MEN ARE NOT DRAWN TO JESUS BECAUSE THEY WERE PRESELECTED FOR SALVATION!

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